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or is president obama going to stomp all over it tomorrow? we're joined by our political expert panel tonight, mark hanna, national review editor robert costa, and phil musser of the republican governors association. robert costa, you know the highlights of this bill, you heard jeff, does it have any chance to pass the house? >> larry, i just got over here from capitol hill, sat down with marco rubio, and he told me and other conservatives cheering for this bill to not be too exuberant because this is just the principle we're outlining today. the president could mess this up, the house of representatives has to mull this over. this is the first step of many that need to happen. >> why would the president mess this up? i mean obama seems to have made this a priority. he was out last summer with an executive order to let the kids of illegals stay and go to school. why would he screw it up? >> well, i think he's largely not led on this issue for his entire first term, larry, i think it's instructive that the democrats today chose to partner up w
or is president obama going to stomp all over it tomorrow? we're joined by our political expert panel tonight, mark hanna, national review editor robert costa, and phil musser of the republican governors association. robert costa, you know the highlights of this bill, you heard jeff, does it have any chance to pass the house? >> larry, i just got over here from capitol hill, sat down with marco rubio, and he told me and other conservatives cheering for this bill to not be too exuberant...
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it worked for president obama, the democrats, like the cbs news political director said is to go for the jugular, to cut the throat to destroy republicans. this is not about achieving a budget or growing jobs. it's about destroying the opposition so they can continue grow the size of the federal government, continue to increase deficits and debt so there's at some point no choice except to continue to raise taxes. >> senator, i'm less interested in this democratic tax budget. i want to ask you a question direct. will the spending sequester the automatic across the board spending cuts sequester go in. if you don't do anything on march 1st as you well know, it goes into place. 1.2 trillion roughly often years, hundred billion this year, to me the public wants lower spending. senator, will they get it? will the gop just say go on ahead dean it? -- ahead and dope it? -- ahead and do it? >> they are hemmed in by the recognize of the democrats again and again. the republicans do not want to cut defense spending. very concerned about what that's going to do. we got troops on the ground, in
it worked for president obama, the democrats, like the cbs news political director said is to go for the jugular, to cut the throat to destroy republicans. this is not about achieving a budget or growing jobs. it's about destroying the opposition so they can continue grow the size of the federal government, continue to increase deficits and debt so there's at some point no choice except to continue to raise taxes. >> senator, i'm less interested in this democratic tax budget. i want to...
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and then on the political front, president obama's recess appointment to the nlrb declared unconstitutional. and louisiana governor bobby jindal calls republicans the stupid party. how about that? and then there is an unconfirmed scandal. i say unconfirmed. did senator bob menendez sleep with underaged dominican prostitutes? this is "the kudlow report" and we begin right now. >> all right. first up, our most optimistic story tonight, stock continue their bull run, the s&p 500 and dow closing in on their all-time highs from october 2007. brian shactman joins us now with all the details. good evening, brian and good work today. >> you touched on the s&p details having its best streak in terms of winning streaks days in a row in eight years but how about the dow. we're now 105 points shy of 14,000. eight components hit new highs today. beyond the five on your screen, utx, pfizer and p & g also doing it. now, speaking of history, historically life is good, larry, as you well know when the dow transports show leadership, up another 3% for the week. apple used to be leadership but not right now.
and then on the political front, president obama's recess appointment to the nlrb declared unconstitutional. and louisiana governor bobby jindal calls republicans the stupid party. how about that? and then there is an unconfirmed scandal. i say unconfirmed. did senator bob menendez sleep with underaged dominican prostitutes? this is "the kudlow report" and we begin right now. >> all right. first up, our most optimistic story tonight, stock continue their bull run, the s&p...
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now house speaker john boehner says president obama is out to annihilate the republican party. we'll talk about all that with new hampshire senator kelly ayotte and our political panel in just a few moments. >> also, big time golfers phil mickelson, tiger woods, lebron james and derek jeter are all supply siders. we'll explain that later this hour. >> i wasn't involved in the talking points process. as i understand it, as i've been told, it was a typical interagency process where staff, including from the state department all participated to try to come up with whatever was going to be made publicly available. >> that of course was secretary of state clinton today on capitol hill saying she had no role in susan rice's false talking points on the benghazi consulate attack. but will we ever find out why ambassador rice denied the terrorist attack and misled the public saying this on "meet the press." >> what happened in benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in cairo. >> and will we ever get a full answer on exactly what hap
now house speaker john boehner says president obama is out to annihilate the republican party. we'll talk about all that with new hampshire senator kelly ayotte and our political panel in just a few moments. >> also, big time golfers phil mickelson, tiger woods, lebron james and derek jeter are all supply siders. we'll explain that later this hour. >> i wasn't involved in the talking points process. as i understand it, as i've been told, it was a typical interagency process where...
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we took part of these briefings of the obama administration team. we thought we had a program that was viable, limited, politically and legally realistic. one by way the entire intelligence committee have now been briefed into. to digress for a second, the major mistake we made, and i include myself in this, was in the early years of the program. the existence of the program, it was limited to the gang of 8. i think that was a mistake. by 2006 both had been briefed. we thought it was possible. we thought the obama administration could have continued the program in this limited form, at least maintained it as an option. it did not come to pass. i do not think any less realistically thought they would stick with it. we had not reviewed the executive order. guantanamo was out of our lane. this is a factual flaw in the film. they were saying this is not factually correct. we got a hold of the executive order again. all government will be confined to the techniques in army field manual. my friends and i have talked about this. i said not that you ask, th
we took part of these briefings of the obama administration team. we thought we had a program that was viable, limited, politically and legally realistic. one by way the entire intelligence committee have now been briefed into. to digress for a second, the major mistake we made, and i include myself in this, was in the early years of the program. the existence of the program, it was limited to the gang of 8. i think that was a mistake. by 2006 both had been briefed. we thought it was possible....
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president obama called mohammad more see hours after he was elected. the head of the egyptian army today warned political unrest is pushing egypt to the brink of collapse. dili protests are continuing. sixty people had been killed. since friday, fox is the least and terrorist analyst. a little bit of a cold. not helping meet with the audience out tonight. >> they're very serious claims for the following reasons. huge middle-class to muscle society people have been rising since early december. have been dozens of people here, hundreds wounded on the streets. the revolution, the new revolt is not receding. tried to impose zones where populations cannot walk an act. the army was not able to implement that, so is very serious breakdown. lou: what is your personal view? does he survive this? what other prospects for egypt? >> he is going to use everything that he can. he has a majority in parliament. he has the office of the presidency. he has the control of the ministry of interior security forces and above all he has this very wide militia known as the se
president obama called mohammad more see hours after he was elected. the head of the egyptian army today warned political unrest is pushing egypt to the brink of collapse. dili protests are continuing. sixty people had been killed. since friday, fox is the least and terrorist analyst. a little bit of a cold. not helping meet with the audience out tonight. >> they're very serious claims for the following reasons. huge middle-class to muscle society people have been rising since early...
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he realized putting political detainees at gitmo he said i'll sol tv problem, i'll kill them. drone them. >> dana: don't you think it's odd -- >> bob: what is wrong with that? >> eric: nothing. i don't think there is a problem with droning, and i'm for killing the bad guys via drones but the thing is he was against this type of -- wate waterboarding, he is against it. but drone is better. >> bob: kill the guy that is a number two -- >> i'm for it, bob. i'm all thumbs up for the drone program. >> kimberly: we support it but saying it's inconsistent policy. it smacks of hypocrisy that the man said it's unlawful and you shouldn't torture people, bad, bad, shame on you, burned. he puts out his own form of the roach motel if pre predator drone. you check in and you don't check out. >> greg: i promised i would do something in the block for you. new popularity polls for obama. favorable 60%. unfavorable 37%. no opinion, 3%. >> dana: they're like we don't care. >> greg: he is asked to be part of a poll and you have no opinion, what is wrong with you? what are your thoughts on it? it s
he realized putting political detainees at gitmo he said i'll sol tv problem, i'll kill them. drone them. >> dana: don't you think it's odd -- >> bob: what is wrong with that? >> eric: nothing. i don't think there is a problem with droning, and i'm for killing the bad guys via drones but the thing is he was against this type of -- wate waterboarding, he is against it. but drone is better. >> bob: kill the guy that is a number two -- >> i'm for it, bob. i'm all...
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the history of assumer and barack obama and durbin is always politics. president didn't fully embrace what the bipartisan group of senators said. why am i suspicious? every time he has an opportunity to exploit it, he does so politically. do you this agree with me, that republicans need to proceed with caution? >> absolutely. there are so many complicated parts to this. even if you had trust with all the partners, you would want to pay a lot of attention to detail. look, the president -- you touched on it earlier. there was an unnecessary threat out of the blue. i was reading the text to the speech, he was outlining what he was sort of proposing which was somewhat in agreement and out of the blue he says if you are unable to move in a timely fashion, i'm going to set up a bill on my proposal and insist that you vote it on. that is typical stuff we see from the white house that is completely unconstructive and undermines trust in the white house. >> sean: two reasons i would like to see a bill happen here. number one, nobody seems to be talking about it,
the history of assumer and barack obama and durbin is always politics. president didn't fully embrace what the bipartisan group of senators said. why am i suspicious? every time he has an opportunity to exploit it, he does so politically. do you this agree with me, that republicans need to proceed with caution? >> absolutely. there are so many complicated parts to this. even if you had trust with all the partners, you would want to pay a lot of attention to detail. look, the president --...
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president obama refuses to knowledge iran's right to enrich. this would require acknowledging the islamic republic as a legitimate political order representing legitimate national interests and is a rising regional power unwilling to support its power to washington as for example washington regularly expected of egypt under sadat and mubarak. the society hillary a nice day obama has done more damage even than george w. bush because he's discredited the idea by saying he tried but failed when in fact he has not serious are tried. [inaudible] >> yes, that's fine. no american president has been prepared to do this, to accept the islamic republic. and this is a key argument. this is the only diplomacy can succeed. there is an important precedent for this in modern american history. it's appropriate to call the cinema and month in which richard nixon come with birthday falls. nixon and kissinger's of maine to china. their great achievement was not that the type to beijing. the united states had been talking for years and ambassadorial level talks th
president obama refuses to knowledge iran's right to enrich. this would require acknowledging the islamic republic as a legitimate political order representing legitimate national interests and is a rising regional power unwilling to support its power to washington as for example washington regularly expected of egypt under sadat and mubarak. the society hillary a nice day obama has done more damage even than george w. bush because he's discredited the idea by saying he tried but failed when in...
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the raw politics ahead. >>> raw politics tonight. president obama sitting down today with secretary of state hillary clinton which aired this sunday on "60 minutes." one of her last interviews before leaving the state department. for secretary clinton it caps off a high-profile week that includes the president's inauguration, testifying before congress about the benghazi attack. in the "60 minutes" interview with president obama offering plenty of praise for her. >> why did you want to do this together, a joint interview? >> the main thing is, i wanted to have a chance to publicly say thank you. because i think hillary will go down as one of the finest secretary of states we've had. it has been a great collaboration over the last four years. i'm going to miss her. wish she was sticking around. but she has logged in so many miles, i can't begrudge her to want to take it easy for a little bit. but i want the country to appreciate just what an extraordinary role she's played during the course of my administration, and a lot of the succe
the raw politics ahead. >>> raw politics tonight. president obama sitting down today with secretary of state hillary clinton which aired this sunday on "60 minutes." one of her last interviews before leaving the state department. for secretary clinton it caps off a high-profile week that includes the president's inauguration, testifying before congress about the benghazi attack. in the "60 minutes" interview with president obama offering plenty of praise for her....
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>> president obama moved on this and it was calculated politically to catch up for the last ten years in the country. one of the biggest changes we have witnessed, swiftest changes we have seen in our society. politician have trouble catching up with that but they read the polls and they know what is going on. the boy scouts are not endeavoring to change their long-standing tradition so much to be because they want to welcome homosexuals and be inclusive, as they do not feel they can survive as an exclusive organization anymore. they have lost members in protest. they are not getting enough new members. they are losing financial support. they believe that this is something that they have to do for their survival. surely the question of how you integrate the boy scouts, that is an extremely complicated matter. two of the largest contributors are the mormon and the catholic church. you have manpower and financial money coming from places that don't support homosexuality there. >> they are doing this for a reason. their members say it's because they are losing their ability to carry on.
>> president obama moved on this and it was calculated politically to catch up for the last ten years in the country. one of the biggest changes we have witnessed, swiftest changes we have seen in our society. politician have trouble catching up with that but they read the polls and they know what is going on. the boy scouts are not endeavoring to change their long-standing tradition so much to be because they want to welcome homosexuals and be inclusive, as they do not feel they can...
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>> politically correct? i appear to be. >> president obama's economic plan hasn't worked among african-americans. when you voted for him, 12.7 unemployment. december of 2012, a month after you voted for him again, 14% unemployment. up. okay. hasn't worked. income, black income $32,000 compared to white 55,000. gone down under president obama. hasn't worked. so, you basically said to yourself i'm still going to support the guy even though his economic policies haven't worked for african-americans and pretty much anyone else. >> well, you have only seen me as an african-american, bill, that troubles me. i'm an american. >> bill: ill know that you cited that in some of your criticisms. you said and correct me if i am wrong, that the disengagement of the republican party from the minority community, blacks and hispanics troubled you. >> the economic situation in the country has improved but not enough. >> bill: not for african-americans. not for minorities. >> i'm not speaking as an african-american. i will come
>> politically correct? i appear to be. >> president obama's economic plan hasn't worked among african-americans. when you voted for him, 12.7 unemployment. december of 2012, a month after you voted for him again, 14% unemployment. up. okay. hasn't worked. income, black income $32,000 compared to white 55,000. gone down under president obama. hasn't worked. so, you basically said to yourself i'm still going to support the guy even though his economic policies haven't worked for...
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president obama's fourth year in office tying a record, record high for polarizing politics. 86 percent of democrats, 10 percent of republicans approve of president obama's job performance. seventy-six points ties exactly. president bush's fourth year in office as the most divisive on record. how about that? i mean, who would have guessed that it was such a similar performance. joining me now, the "a-team," pulitzer prize-winning columnist, fox is contributor. fox news legal analyst, attorney . and the chief congressional correspondent for the washington examiner. good to have you with us. you have to be impressed that president bush and president obama are tied in the ways in which they have divided the american people. that's impressive. >> i am not surprised assault. we have seen a series of swing elections where the voters are sort of throwing the bums out because they are not happy with their performance. it just results in us getting polarized factions in congress and in the white house. look, president obama ran on a liberal agenda, and that is what he talked about during his ina
president obama's fourth year in office tying a record, record high for polarizing politics. 86 percent of democrats, 10 percent of republicans approve of president obama's job performance. seventy-six points ties exactly. president bush's fourth year in office as the most divisive on record. how about that? i mean, who would have guessed that it was such a similar performance. joining me now, the "a-team," pulitzer prize-winning columnist, fox is contributor. fox news legal analyst,...
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fox news chief political correspondent has the latest. the obama economy. the slow recovery hits a surprise snag. new data shows no recovery. what happened to growth? cbs chief economist next. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [ cheering ] any flight, anytime. the scoreboard doesn't lie. what's in your wallet? hut! i have me on my fantasy team. making the big romantic gesture. that's powerful. verizon. get a nokia lumia 822 in red for free. ♪ lori: an economic contraction in the fourth quarter, most of us by surprise. chief economist for ubs will be here to tell us why if anything we should make of this economic activity last year. first, news of decline. one-half of 1 percent in gdp was unexpected. the federal reserve technology economy above the court. this afternoon announcing it will continue
fox news chief political correspondent has the latest. the obama economy. the slow recovery hits a surprise snag. new data shows no recovery. what happened to growth? cbs chief economist next. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. [...
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fox news chief political correspondent has the latest. the obama economy. the slow recovery hits a surprise snag. new data shows no recovery. what happened to growth? cbs chief economist next. ♪ making the big romantic gesture. that's powerful. verizon. get a nokia lumia 822 in red for free. [ female announcer ] some people like to pretend a flood could never happen to them. and that their homeowners insurance protects them. [ thunder crashes ] it doesn't. stop pretending. only flood insurance covers floods. ♪ visit floodsmart.gov/pretend to learn your risk. ♪ lori: an economic contraction in the fourth quarter, most of us by surprise. chief economist for ubs will be here to tell us why if anything we should make of this economic activity last year. first, news of decline. one-half of 1 percent in gdp was unexpected. the federal reserve technology economy above the court. this afternoon announcing it will continue its easy money policy, and its $$5 billion a month on a buying program until unemployment falls to six and a half percent. so, here are you
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simply did not want to spend a lot of political capital on his nominee. even though the ones that were higher profile that you could see this could be an example of a progressive how want to take the court sort of you. say good we live in the ninth circuit, now on the california supreme court. the president simply did not put any -- twisting arms or use of any political capital. now after reelection maybe we'll start doing that. of course he also had two supreme court appointments that took up a lot of time and energy. but i don't think that can explain a whole do. i don't think we'll have more supreme court vacancies for a while. all the justices seemed to like what they are doing. ruth bader ginsburg is the oldest one. she's currently 79. she said that god bless you, she survived cancer three times and wants to stay on at least as long as her hero brandes, proud of what had a republican appointed her successes of my that should be resigned at some point in 2015. the big cases this term of the supreme court, there's one an affirmative action, at the univ
simply did not want to spend a lot of political capital on his nominee. even though the ones that were higher profile that you could see this could be an example of a progressive how want to take the court sort of you. say good we live in the ninth circuit, now on the california supreme court. the president simply did not put any -- twisting arms or use of any political capital. now after reelection maybe we'll start doing that. of course he also had two supreme court appointments that took up...
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let's bring in chief political correspondent candy crowley and john king. in 2008, barack obama, hillary clinton were bitter enemies battling a tough primary season. now fast forward, they're doing this high-profile joint interview. what do you make of how their relationship has evolved? >> i think it evolves out of political necessity. it's a very powerful force in politics. and it is not the first time that rivals have ended up being friends sort of. >> are they friends? >> well, look, have they been to the white house for dinner? we're told not. >> see, i find it amazing. >> she owes him a lot and he owes them a lot. there was the bushes and the doles and the reagans, and they all didn't get along for a while. and then the political expediency, political necessity chimed in. do i think that they seem to have come up with a relationship that looks at least on the surface like a good one beyond just a good working relationship? it certainly looks like it. and let's remember, hillary clinton's been through a whole lot worse than getting defeated by presiden
let's bring in chief political correspondent candy crowley and john king. in 2008, barack obama, hillary clinton were bitter enemies battling a tough primary season. now fast forward, they're doing this high-profile joint interview. what do you make of how their relationship has evolved? >> i think it evolves out of political necessity. it's a very powerful force in politics. and it is not the first time that rivals have ended up being friends sort of. >> are they friends? >>...
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with him, the one thing he is cop standpointly asking about when it comes to israeli politics is who is my constituency? in other words, if i am going to spend political capital-- which i have a limited amount of for the collected number of issues i have to deal with for a certain period of time-- who am i appealing to? and that is something that came out ofeate election. it has to be a little more encouraging than it could have been. not enormously but under encouraging than if bennett had come in second or third and the likud list had triumphed. no question. >> it's a major-- look, the election -- >> rose: go ahead. >> it's a major change today compared to what you thought it was 48 hours ago. >> on the other hand-- >> and yair lapid is not sustainable change. >> i do think it's sustainable change. >> rose: it's not one election with one-- >> absolutely. looking, i don't think beebe is opposed to a transaction with the palestinians. i know that for sure. the question is does he have the political room to make that happen. i think he does. if he listens to dennis, he will make a hug
with him, the one thing he is cop standpointly asking about when it comes to israeli politics is who is my constituency? in other words, if i am going to spend political capital-- which i have a limited amount of for the collected number of issues i have to deal with for a certain period of time-- who am i appealing to? and that is something that came out ofeate election. it has to be a little more encouraging than it could have been. not enormously but under encouraging than if bennett had...
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but i lost and then president obama asked me to be secretary of state. and i said yes. >> geraldo: what do you figure, bill kristol -- that appearance as president obama tilting toward hillary in 2016? or just thanking her for her hard work on behalf of his administration? >> i think tharching her, it's nice to see them, you know, tig the bow on four years of working together. but look, the cold judgment's going to be about whether the foreign and international security policies have worked. what the withdrawal from afghanistan is going to mean. how things are going in north africa, cuts in the defense budget. women in combat. the president's doing a lot in the foreign defense policy. in his first term, he was more moderate, he stayed in the center, he kept bob gates and general petraeus and leon panet a. now he has a doveish agend a. hillary clinton he was more hawkish than john kerry will be. i am worried personally for four years of the new obama team in national security. >> reporter: >> geraldo: you know, in that regard, i don't want to be a conspir
but i lost and then president obama asked me to be secretary of state. and i said yes. >> geraldo: what do you figure, bill kristol -- that appearance as president obama tilting toward hillary in 2016? or just thanking her for her hard work on behalf of his administration? >> i think tharching her, it's nice to see them, you know, tig the bow on four years of working together. but look, the cold judgment's going to be about whether the foreign and international security policies...
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they got elected on principle, not on politics. >> narrator: as the week wore on, obama began to worry about the grand bargain. >> he calls boehner that night and leaves a voicemail. boehner doesn't ck up. >> the president said, "get back to me tonight, john." the president didn't hear. i think he called me around 10:00, 10:30 and said, "have you heard anything?" i said no. i tried to reach the speaker and i had his cell phone, and he didn't answer. which is very unlike him, because he always answered his cell phone. i reported that i hadn't heard back from him yet. so we were, there was... trying to figure out what the hell was going on here. >> the white house, they get kind of angry as time goes on, because they start to understand that they're getting double-crossed in some way and boehner won't call back. >> narrator: by friday, speaker boehner called a press conference. >> we get this announcement that there's going to be a briefing in boehner's conference room. we don't know. we still think there's a deal. we think this is to announce a deal. and i get to the conference room, an
they got elected on principle, not on politics. >> narrator: as the week wore on, obama began to worry about the grand bargain. >> he calls boehner that night and leaves a voicemail. boehner doesn't ck up. >> the president said, "get back to me tonight, john." the president didn't hear. i think he called me around 10:00, 10:30 and said, "have you heard anything?" i said no. i tried to reach the speaker and i had his cell phone, and he didn't answer. which...
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is obama going to be up to this in his second term? thank you very much. [applause] >> we've got about 20 minutes left. i just wanted to ask one question. you know, as i read through your book, one of the quotes you have in there, iran has never attacked another state or even threatened to attack one. i've got a little bit of experience. i was at west point on the 21st of january in 1981 when we had dinner with the hostages as they came back, and i think there'd be some argument along that regard. i spent two years in afghanistan in several of the operations we did we uncovered caches and weapons that were marked with iranian markings, and our assessment was that they'd come from iran. if you look at, um, you know, the 2006 israeli fight in lebanon, i think you would have some discussions there about iranian involvement in that operation. so i hear ya that, you know, they have not invaded another country, but clearly supporting in other ways i think is something that in my short experience i've seen. so i wonder how you respond to those activities. >> i'll
is obama going to be up to this in his second term? thank you very much. [applause] >> we've got about 20 minutes left. i just wanted to ask one question. you know, as i read through your book, one of the quotes you have in there, iran has never attacked another state or even threatened to attack one. i've got a little bit of experience. i was at west point on the 21st of january in 1981 when we had dinner with the hostages as they came back, and i think there'd be some argument along...